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<p><b>שאלה:</b></p>
<p>אני חושב שלבזבז מאה שקלים על אתרוג זה מיותר בהחלט. עדיף לתת את הכסף לצדקה. (נשלח מאייפון שלי)</p>
<p><b>תשובה:</b></p>
<p>היי, ואני חושב שלבזבז מאות שקלים על אייפון זה מיותר בהחלט! מדוע שלא תסתפק בסלולרי רגיל, ללא מסך מגע ואפילו ללא – רחמנא ליצלן – מצלמת וידאו באיכות גבוהה?</p>
<p>ולמרות זאת, השקעת מאות שקלים ברכישת אייפון מתקדם ואני בטוח שאתה נהנה ממנו.</p>
<p>בחיים הפרטיים אנו מוצאים לנכון לבזבז סכומים גדולים על דברים שהם בהחלט בגדר מותרות. סבינו ואבותיהם חיו ללא אייפון, סמסונג נוט ויש שמועות כי אפילו טלפון רגיל לא היה להם. והם היו מאושרים.</p>
<p>חכמינו זכרונם לברכה מביאים את הפסוק "זה א-לי ואנוהו" ומתרגמים זאת כך: "התנאה לפניו במצוות." כאשר אנו מקיימים מצווה, איננו עושים זאת רק כדי להתפטר ממנה. אנו מקיימים אותה בכל הלב. נכון, יכלנו לקיים את המצווה גם באתרוג פשוט יותר ולחסוך עשרות שקלים, אך אנו מחפשים אחר אתרוג משובח ומהודר, כי המצווה חשובה ויקרה לנו. מערכת היחסים שלנו עם האלוקים יקרה לליבנו ואנו מוכנים להשקיע בה עד כמה שנוכל.</p>
<p>מה עם הצדקה, אתה שואל? נראה לי שהחודש אוותר על כמה הורדות של אפליקציות ואתרום את הכסף לצדקה. מה דעתך?</p>
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לא רלוונטית? יש דין בהלכה של מחיר מיצווה, אל תגיד &quot;כאילו לא כספי&quot; כי יש דין הגבלת מחיר בהלכה. דין הלכה &quot;הידור מיצווה עד שליש&quot; ולכן אין לשלם יותר משליש. למשל שנה זו &quot;כשר לברכה 12 שקל כמו 4 דולר&quot; עבור אתרוג, ההלכה הגבילה עד שליש הוספה, עוד 4 שקל, אבל המוכרים בעשרים שקל או יותר חלילה, &quot;מחטיא את הרבים&quot; ואיבדו חלק לעולם הבא כמו שכתב רמבם הלכות תשובה.
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בבא קמא ט&#39; ע&quot;ב<br />אמר ר&#39; זירא בהידור מצוה עד שליש במצוה בעי רב אשי שליש מלגיו או שליש מלבר תיקו במערבא אמרי משמיה דרבי זירא עד שליש משלו מכאן ואילך משל הקדוש ברוך הוא: שכחתי לצטט לך את הגמרא 
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הלוגיקה של הרב שגויה, כל הפירות והירקות עולים שקלים בודדים לקילו, אין סיבה שאתרוג בודד יעלה יותר מ3- שקל, אז מ-3 שקל ל- 100 שקל זו קפיצה של 3300 אחוז!<br />הפלאפון הכי זול בזאפ עולה 200 שקל, האם לקנות פלאפון מהודר ב-6600 זה מיותר?<br />כן! באותה מידה כמו לקנות אתרוג ב100 שקל
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ב&quot;ה<br /><br />זו טעות. לא *כל* הפירות והירקות עולים שקלים בודדים לקילו (למשל, &#39;אננס הגן האבוד&#39; עולה כ-15,000 $ ליחידה), ויש בהחלט סיבה לעלותו הגבוהה של האתרוג - עלות הטיפול, האחסון וההובלה תוך שמירה על שלמותו ויופיו (כך שישאר מהודר למצוה).
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גידול אתרוגים זה דבר רגיש מאוד ואתרוג יקר הוא מצוי פחות, אף סוחר לא מחייב אותך לקנות אתרוג יקר, כמעט בכל דוכני האתרוגים לפחות בערב החג אתה יכול להשיג אתרוג כשר לברכה ב5 שקל ואפילו פחות, אין שום סיבה שבית פשוט יעלה יותר מ20000$ מדוע במרכזי הערים הגדולות מחירו מזנק ל5000000$, אלו הכללים של ביקוש והיצע אף אחד לא כופה עליך לקנות את הבית, אבל לילד או לבוס אתה קונה מתנה יקרה כדי להראות יחס, קל וחומר למלך מלכי המלכים שבלעדיו אינך יכול להמשיך טריליונית שנייה צריך לתת יחס ולהראות לו שמשלמים למצוות שלו הרבה כסף ביחס להכנסות
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כל אחד יקנה אתרוג לפי רצונו או יכולתו. אין שום עניין לקנות יקר מאוד אבל רצון האדם כבודו. הבעיה עם יהודים שרוצים אתרוג חינם.מצוות עולות כסף. 
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מצווה לקנות אתרוג כשר ואם יש ביכולתו ולא על חשבון הבית והאשה יקנה גם מהודר תמיד מעדיפים משהו מהודר בכל דבר. 
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האיפון והגלקסי יכולים לשמש לתורה גם,אבל בואו נודה על האמת הרי אולי 90 אחוז זה על סתם דברים ורק (אולי)10 אחוז על תורה וכ&#39;ו.ואני לא מבין אנשים ,אם הם רוצים ללמוד תקנו ספר ותתחילו ללמוד לא צריך בשביל זה גלקסי או איפון שעולים אלפי שקלים ,הרי למה הטלפון אמור לשמש רק לכדי להתקשר ואם הזמן פתחו אותו אבל עשו אותו רק כדי להתקשר ממקום למקום .למי שיש טלפון שעולה אלפי שקלים בבית ואין לו ספריה עם ספרים -שידע שהוא במצב גרוע . (מסיימים בטוב)ומי שרק משתמש בטלפון כדי ללמוד תורה או להתקשר ולא סתם בוואטספ -אשריו ואשרי חלקו שעשה אתהפכא ,ורק אני יגיד שזה מאוד קשה.
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ב&quot;ה<br />אוויש כבוד הרב , איזה תשובה נוראית.<br />אפליקציות לא עולות כסף<br />במקום להתעסק בלמה כן אתרוג יש פה תשובה מתחכמת על אייפון.
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יעקב חבל על הנימה המזלזלת שלך ברב.בכל אופן לדעתי יקר זה עניין יחסי אצל אנשים שמעריכים את הפריט שקונים.אגב ראיתי אנשי עסקים מתרברבים ביניהם על אותה חליפה יוקרתית מי שילם יותר וזה ששילם הכי הרבה נחשב ליותר מוצלח.רק דוגמה להערכה.
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יש אפליקציות שעולות כסף, אך לא זהו הענין.<br />התשובה היא פשוטה (רק שהרב הדגים זאת בעזרת האייפון) - דבר שחשוב וחביב לי, אני מוכן לשלם עליו אפילו הרבה מאד כסף, ובלבד שיהי&#39; יותר משובח, מהודר ו(גם) מועיל.<br />אותו הדבר בענין האתרוג: אם אני אוהב לעשות מצוות ולקיים את רצון הקב&quot;ה, אהי&#39; מוכן לשלם יותר כסף עליו - ובלבד שיהי&#39; יפה ומוהודר יותר.<br />כל טוב, בשורות טובות!
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ייתכן ואתה צודק.מצטער עם הנימה יצאה מזלזלת.<br />שנה טובה
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ובנוגע ל&quot;אבותינו&quot;. - מה הקשר? האם לאבותינו היה אינטרנט שבאמצעותו אפשר להפיץ כל כך הרבה תורה כמו שאתה משתמש באינטרנט בשביל להפיץ תורה?! - או באמצעות האייפון שלחלק מרבני חב&quot;ד יש, שבהם משתמשים לעבודת הקודש שלהם?! <br /><br />אפשר להסתדר מכל דבר, החכמה זה להשתמש בצורה נכונה ובקידוש ה&#39; עם מה שיש, ולא לחשוב תמיד: &quot;מה היה פעם&quot; ו- &quot;שהיה יותר פשוט&quot; וכו&#39; הכל התרפקות על העבר.<br /><br />הקב&quot;ה רוצה שיעבדו אותו עכשיו, ובכלים של היום ולא להתחמק, להתחבט וכו&#39;. <br /><br />ולסיום, יישר כח על העמדת הפרופרציה בין עצת היצר להוצאת כסף על פלאפון יוקרתי שלא בהכרח משתמשים בו לדברים חיוביים (אם לחיובי וטוב מה טוב וכך צריך אך אם לא, אז למה?) לבין אתרוג שמשמש לקיום מצווה והקפדה על קניית אתרוג כשר מחד אך מאידך לא להוציא סתם כסף על הידור שלא קיים או מומצא.<br /><br />שיהיה לנו חג סוכות כשר ומצויין בעז&quot;ה,<br />ונשמח בחג עם ארבעת המינים שלנו ורק שלנו המהודרים שאנו אוהבים.
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מיקי מחשבים. תשובה לעניין. כבר שלמה המלך אמר שההתרפקות על העבר&quot;הטוב&quot; <br />הוא שטות.
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אתה צודק שלעיתים אפשר ךמצוא אתרוג מהודר ביותר במחיר זול.<br />אבל הבעי&#39; היא השאלה: &quot;אני חושב שלהוציא 100 שקל על אתרוג זה ממש מיותר!&quot;.<br />ההנחה הפשוטה צריכה להיות (וזה מה שהדגיש הרב קמינקר), שהבזבוז הוא האייפון - והצורך החיוני הוא האתרוג.<br />בפועל, כנראה שתוציא יותר כסף על האייפון (אינני מכיר אתרוגים שעולים אלפי שקלים) - אבל ההנחה הראשונית היא החשובה.<br />*<br />[דרך אגב, בודאי אינני צריך לספר ל&quot;מיקי מחשבים&quot; שיש כמה רמות באייפון. וגם אם אתה &#39;חייב&#39; אייפון, אין מצוה לקנות דוקא את החדש ביותר. אפשר להסתפק ב&quot;דור&quot; הקודם].
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<span class="comment-date" title="Tuesday, October 7, 2014 3:24:00 PM">October 7, 2014</span>
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הבעיה היא שעם כל הכבוד ההשוואה איננה נכונה בהכרח. לפעמים מתלהמים ולא חושבים
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קודם כל עלינו להודות על האמת, רוב המחירים המוגזמים של האתרוגים הם סתם מקור הכנסה למגדלי וסוכני האתרוגים.<br />ניתן ללכת לשוק ארבעת המינים, לשלם על אתרוג מושלם ללא רבב - 30 ש&quot;ח, כאשר במקום אחר הוא היה עולה 200 ש&quot;ח. - הכל עניין זה של שיווק ומי שרוצה לשלם ולהוציא כסף. אכן כפי שכותב השאלה אמר, ניתן להוציא 50-70 ש&quot;ח על סט ולהשלים לכמה שרוצים בצדקה!<br /><br />ובנוגע לאייפון: הטענה שלהוציא על אייפון מאות שקלים (אגב לא מאות אלא אלפי!) היא לא מדוייקת. מכיוון: א) אם היה אייפון פחות טוב בפחות מחיר ייתכן שהיו יותר אנשים שיקנו אותו אבל הדבר לא מצוי כל כך, בניגוד להיצע העצום של אתרוג.<br />ב) אייפון מגיע כמות שהוא עם כל האפשרויות שלו, אם באמת אתה צריך את האפשרויות אז תוציא את הכסף על כך, למה לא? אתה הרי צריך זאת.<br /><br />ועם זאת, אם אנשים קונים אייפון ומוציאים אלפי שקלים, אך בכלל לא צריכים את מגוון האפשרויות של האייפון אלא יכולים להסתפק בפלאפון רגיל פה מדובר על עצת היצר והלחץ החברתי! - ואם אדם נפל בכך אז ייתכן שאין לו מה לטעון על מחיר אתרוג (אלא אם הוא באמת ניגש לכך מתוך אמת ולא מתוך עצת יצר הפוכה).<br /><br />-המשך בהודעה הבאה-
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&quot;רוב המחירים המוגזמים של האתרוגים הם סתם מקור הכנסה למגדלי וסוכני האתרוגים&quot;<br />לייצר אייפון עולה פחות מ400$ והוא נמכר בישראל ביותר מ1200$<br />למה לא תצר על ה&quot;מחירים המוגזמים של האייפונים שהם סתם מקור הכנסה לאפל ולמשווקיה&quot;<br />קוראים לזה מסחר, היצע וביקוש<br />יש ביקוש לאתרוגים, המחיר שלהם עולה<br />ואנו שוב חוזרים לאותה נקודה, אם חשוב לך האתרוג אתה תוציא עליו כסף, ואם לא, לא. ואז אתה תחפש כל מיני תירוצים של לתת לצדקה, כי צדקה זה כן חשוב לך, אתה מבין את הטעם.<br />אין פתח לבחור איזה מצווה חשובה ואיזה לא. גם צדקה וגם אתרוג צריך לקיים וכל ההצטדקות של ה&quot;אני מעדיף לתת לצדקה היא רק כפירה במצוות האתרוג במסווה יפה
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אתרוג משובח
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ישנם כמה שיטות ודעות בסוג הכתמים שפוסל אתרוג.<br />ככל שהאתרוג נקי יותר וכשר לפי שיטות רבות יותר - הוא מהודר יותר.<br />הסיבה למחיר הגבוה של זה היא, עלויות השמירה וההובלה של אתרוג ברמה גבוהה כזו.
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תשובה יפה וטובה 
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השאלה מוצלחת יותר מהתשובה... 
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